Curse

SpiritOfGrandeur · Dec 23, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by Samueldg

wanna know the no#1 reason there are "less heal monks"

YOU!

guys with your additude make monking suck... constantly crying ( dude YOU DIDNT BRING BREEZE!!! WTF OVER!!! WAAAWAAA)

I dont play this game for other people.. isnt that obvious?

when I monk for a pug I take a blend of heals ( four usually) some condition and hex removal= cure it instead of heal over it, a SMITE!!!! (usuallysym of wrath becuase someone always aoes and sends everything at me.. sym makes it run away) and rebirth..

I solo because I can play the game and avoid the ten yearolds..

Any monk that brings Breeze is just wasting their energy

aron searle · Dec 23, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by SpiritOfGrandeur

Any monk that brings Breeze is just wasting their energy

not always

(but lets not turn this into a breeze ftw/ftl debate

lets just say that sometimes it has its uses)

toric brightblade · Dec 23, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

no way

the 55hp solo monk is just an average build. there are better builds then it. if you really dont like the solo monk, then just ignore it. if you think that the monk's sole purpose is to heal people and nothing esle, then go to hell. we have lives, and if we think soloing is fun, and payed for the runes and armor, then thats good for us, but you dont need to go complaining about it. besides, the solo monk is mainly for more experienced players. not only for the skill required to use it alone in the underworld, but to start one, you need the gold for the runes and armor, so i say qut your whining and just leave the solo monks the hell alone.
thanks

scars of insanity · Dec 23, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Heres a little example of why you never see monks. One day a long time ago i was doing the Thirsty River mission. I was playing a Mo/R. I decided to smite/prot because i though Scourge Healing would really help vs that last monk boss. First time i say "Smite/Prot Monk LFG Mission and Bonus" I get at least 10 responses saying exactly this "If you switch to healing well bring you" or "How many healing spells do you have?" or "Why the hell did you choose smite thats not what a monks for" Lmao i gathered up henchies and beat the mission right there.

Ristaron · Dec 23, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Age:

You have said multiple times that you want to try out the build. You have stated that you want to make money off it to buy 15k armour.
Now why, oh why are you snapping and crying at all the current 55 farmers?

I'll tell you why: you're just like them. You're whining because you can't join them because the prices of runes are too high (you've also said this is a reason for your anger). You want to get 'uber rich' and buy the most expensive stuff and laugh at all the people who can't afford the price of runes which you have aided in driving up after you have made your build. Even though you were once like them.
You want to be in that growing circle of 'rich people', but the only way you can do that is whining at Anet to get rid of the ones currently holding the places above you.

You, and all other filthy hypocrites, disgust me.

On the reason why there are so few monks around:
People like age, people like the proverbial W/Mo mender-tank, people who think they should never fall below 75% health and that their energy pool as well should somehow be regenerated. People who pretty much believe monks have infinite energy pools and skills with recharge times of zero.
You all need to get a life.

Carla Witchblade · Dec 23, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by QuietWanderer

I charge all the time for Thunderhead. In fact, everytime you see a monk charging there, think of me because I started it. The fact is, it can be a service and like all services, you have the option to say "no". You have no problem paying for a droks run, but you have a problem paying a monk that has done the mission 200 times. It's your loss not mine, I'll still get paid and you'll be without an experienced monk. Yet again, quit whining about what other players do.

If I equip my war/whatever with 15K glad with sup absorption and Chaos Axe/Fellblade, do I get to charge anyone since the enemy is gathered around me to check out my "cool" armor and shiny spork instead of flirting with the cute monk and ele?

Unless you can solo THK or do it with 6 henchies while I stand next to the king doing emotes, I don't see a valid reason for paying.

se7en18 · Dec 23, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Wow. I paid for the game. I can do whatever the hell I want.

ryguy · Dec 23, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

learn2Monk

Sir Skullcrasher · Dec 23, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Does LuLu the monk played as a 55 build?

Age · Dec 23, 2005, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Well Ristaron put the words right into my mouth yes I want those runes and 15K armor and maybe i am just jealouse at those that have it.I never said I was agaisnt farming or the 55 build maybe if I reworded the topic title and said slow down.I am at Abbondons mouth as well with my Monk and Warrior but when I was doing itThunderhead I was doing it with my Ranger we tried twice and lost.

I smited when I got tired of the way henchies were flying off here and there and getting stuck earlier in the game and have half of my skill bar full of warrior skills yes tuning my monk into a tank with presearing armor on I did this in the Wilds mission oh they weren't happy about that yes I heard it all when I first started i played a life bond protector.When I bought heal other at Quarrel Falls as there was no quest for it at that time I started to turn to healing.These aren't really flames as i am a super moderator on one of the oldest Star Trek gaming sites around any how i guess i reworded my post wrong i am not agaisnt farming or the 55 build just those that have and have not I tried with my 551 HP Monk and ended up getting -60% DP at griffon farming.I am sorry if I upset some of you but i just wanted to get my Ranger to emberlight camp a Monk wantd to charge for service and this was the 2nd time I heard this the 1st at the RoF.

Yichi · Dec 23, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

Age:

You have said multiple times that you want to try out the build. You have stated that you want to make money off it to buy 15k armour.
Now why, oh why are you snapping and crying at all the current 55 farmers?

I'll tell you why: you're just like them. You're whining because you can't join them because the prices of runes are too high (you've also said this is a reason for your anger). You want to get 'uber rich' and buy the most expensive stuff and laugh at all the people who can't afford the price of runes which you have aided in driving up after you have made your build. Even though you were once like them.
You want to be in that growing circle of 'rich people', but the only way you can do that is whining at Anet to get rid of the ones currently holding the places above you.

You, and all other filthy hypocrites, disgust me.

On the reason why there are so few monks around:
People like age, people like the proverbial W/Mo mender-tank, people who think they should never fall below 75% health and that their energy pool as well should somehow be regenerated. People who pretty much believe monks have infinite energy pools and skills with recharge times of zero.
You all need to get a life.

quoted for truth. this is almost the only quote worth readng over the 3 pages this has gone....

Yes i have a heal monk. I like healing. Yes i cna farm with my monk if i chose too, but i have other characters hat i liek to play to farm with. shes straight healer and i like it that way, but in no means do i feel that anyoenwho uses a farming build for their monk should be punished because they chose to play the game their own way.

that would be like me sayign that a warrior can tank better than a mesmer can. please nerf the warriors armor or stances. it doesnt make sense.

remember this in the game and in life. People are always going to have more and better things than you will. you have to learn to use what you have to the best of your ability. you dont need 15k armor or that max req9 crystaline or whatever to be uber rich. if you need a dye can you buy it? if you need a rune can you get one that suits your needs? can you buy a set of armor that works for you? can you buy or go to a collector to get a weapon for the build youre running?

when you can answer those questions with a yes, then your gaming expierence will become a whoel lot more fun than focusin on what everyone else has and that you dont at the moment

Kauh · Dec 23, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Age

Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.........................

gawd, you posted here too? lol.

guess I'll copy n paste my response.

"Give a man a monk, he'll heal your party. Teach a man the monk builds, and he'll use them to their fullest extent.

Regardless if they nerf the areas these monks are farming, Its not going to stop them from farming. they'll just find other spots to farm, and wait for other places to farm.
Dont have faith, cuz people will do what they want, when they want, where they want, regardless of what people say, or do.
Not trying to be a dick here, thats just the nature of the RPG beast."

Kai Nui · Dec 23, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

After you have unlocked everything, you can work on getting a good guild, good guild status, personal status (fame, rank), and getting 15k armours, and even creating little guys that get ran so they can compete in ascalon with droks armour and elites and stuff. If you are farming, you're just getting money and items to get 15k or for other personal use.

Tyrent Frath · Dec 23, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Age

That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.

Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.

1-dont tell a player what his "JOB" is, they have the right to play the role they want in the party (to a certain extent).

2-I am a mo/w

I am a 55 monk

before i was a 55 monk, i was a healing monk and played through most of the game.

before that i was a e/n (then a e/me, then e/mo) and played through nearly ALL of the game (full storyline, bonuses, blah blah blah).

with money from my 55 build, i bought more armor and can now switch between a protector, smiter, healer, and almost any role a team wants me to play.

3-im a damn good healer, so dont say just because i play a 55 monk i dont know how to heal

FalconDance · Dec 23, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

There does seem to be a shortage of monks who are willing to group for healing, esp. after Iron Mines. There might be several standing around, but they mostly seem to either be permanently afk or charging for their services. And for the past month or so, I've been in groups (really great ones as well as bad ones) in which the monks up and left the party stranded for no apparent reason. Now, some may have been d/c, but many were deliberate (I always try to whisper to ask why and more often than not have received very abusive, rude comments back that have nothing to do with the group or battle).

The monk class is no different than the others in that you either figure out how to play it as an asset or not. IMO, each party member should be responsible for keeping themselves healed to some extent (except for frontline warriors in the heat of battle, perhaps) and it should never fall to a single or pair of individuals to keep up to eight ppl in full health all the time! Learn to play your class, people! My blood necro can pull a well for +6 hp regen to help a healer out--and NEVER have I heard a monk comment on it except for negatively.

The 55 monk? He has his place, I suppose, but I really wish more would choose to simply be healers, protectors or smiters rather than fixate on gold and stuff.

dansamy · Dec 23, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by Kabale

As has been stated before, monks go to Tombs because it's much more fun to keep people alive that actually know what they're doing. PvE is full of bad players that don't have a clue, and frankly it gets really fricking annoying to clean up their mistakes time and time again.
In PvP you get recognition for being good at what you do. PvE holds no such rewards...OK you might get the occasional 'wow youre a good monk' but 90% of the time people will be complaining.
So ya, it was fun in the beginning, but it totally sucked past beating the game once. Soloing is tremendously fun, but it's not the only reason why there's no monks in PvE. As has also been stated, everyone wants to kill stuff.
Oh and another thing, how many happy smiters do you see as part of a group? NONE. They all get bitched at because they're not healing/protecting. So where do all the people go that want to try out the smiting line? SOLO. Prejudice against monks FTL.

One last request, close this thread.

Quoted for truth. You want a good healing monk to get you through Thirsty ot Thunderhead or (god forbid!!) Hell's Precipice? Take Alesia. For good measure, take Lina. She happens to rock at prot. All the half decent player monks are either soloing or PvPing. I healed total morons all the way through HP and switched to prot ASAP. Now, I either solo, prot ONLY for FoW/UW groups with IQ's high enough to turn on TS/Vent, or PvP. You won't find me trying to help you get through THK for the 14th time in 2 days. BTDT. Not gonna do it again. The grief that most monks get in PvE is NOT worth it.

Hells Vengeance · Dec 23, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Very few people can solo farm as a 55 now that AoE is gone. I know few builds that you can but I'd rather go in with SS/SV.

TGgold · Dec 23, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58

"Now, I either solo, prot ONLY for FoW/UW groups with IQ's high enough to turn on TS/Vent, or PvP."

People like that are some of the problems we have.
So, what if I don't have a vent server? What now? Do you think that all of us that have to resort to typing are automatically missing points in our IQ?

Personally, I just chat with people before missions, that always helps me identify the good, the bad and the ugly. Also, I don't join groups 90% of the time: I make them.

Quite honestly, I've only ever found good groups with my Prot Monk, because I tell people (before missions only) that I need people that can take directions.

Other Ideas to finding a Monk:
PM them: Most of us don't take random invites
Chat in the local chat: A lot of people are friendly, really. And I know that I (at least) take note of people who are friendly and know what they're talking about.

And I don't mind the 55 monks, to get on topic. I think they should, like any other player, work with the team though to fit what's needed. I change my build almost every time I'm in a group, because I'm flexible. People who aren't flexible are the ones to watch out for.

Sagius Truthbarron · Dec 24, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Age

Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.

Yeah.. The smiting attribute doesn't exist...

dansamy · Dec 24, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by TGgold

"Now, I either solo, prot ONLY for FoW/UW groups with IQ's high enough to turn on TS/Vent, or PvP."

People like that are some of the problems we have.
So, what if I don't have a vent server? What now? Do you think that all of us that have to resort to typing are automatically missing points in our IQ?

There are several publicly available servers for a PUG to use. The only people I travel to UW/FoW with without TS/Vent are people I have played with before and know they are capable players. I resent you automatically assigning blame for the problem to me. I am not the meathead who decides to go barreling in and aggro at least 2, if not more, groups and then proceed to scream "res me, noob". No, thank you. If someone else wants to res them, more power to them. I leave them dead. Unless I happened to have brought UA with me. Then I res them. Kill them. Res them. Kill them again. Trust me. I am not the problem with PvE monking. I quit PvE monking because of the overall idiocy of the players that cannot follow a simple set of instructions. With a TS/Vent FoW/UW group, I am at least assured of people who possess a desire for team communication and strategy.

You want to know where all the good monks are? They are in GvG, Tombs or soloing because they are weary of the abuse heaped upon them from the general PvE population.